Wim Hof (the Iceman) on Defeating Extreme Cold & Attenuating the Immune Response

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hello everyone I’m here in well I guess
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it’s not really Amsterdam it’s somewhere
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close to Amsterdam what’s the name
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it says boom Stoke I’m sitting here with
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someone I’m very excited to be having a
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conversation with not only because it
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he’s extremely charismatic and
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passionate but also because he’s into
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the cold and as you guys all know that
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I’m very interested in changes in
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temperature on human physiology on brain
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function
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his name is wim HOF you may have heard
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of him through the Tim Ferriss interview
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recently or through the vice documentary
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he holds 26 different world records
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maybe you can tell us why yeah 26
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different disciplines like climbing
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Mount Everest a new short or climbing
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near Kilimanjaro in bracket terms or
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hanging by one finger in the air or one
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hour 53 minutes in the direct contact
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with the eyes or swimming beneath the
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thick ice cap on Lydia’s or running
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marathons not been trained to do so but
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then run a marathon because and the
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runner is going to tell you about
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breathing techniques very very
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revolutionary but tell well well so I
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want to ask you when I mean I’ve been
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very interested in the effects of
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changing temperature on human physiology
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specifically i i’ve been interests in
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the sauna for a while mostly because I
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sort of serendipitously started using
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the sauna when I was in graduate school
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which is a very stressful time for me
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and there’s a sauna across the street
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from where I lived and so I started
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using the sauna every morning before I
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would go into the lab and do my
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experiments and I noticed that I felt
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really good after and I was able to
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handle stress better I started to figure
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out why is this so I started diving into
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the science and I’m trying to understand
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how it affects the brain but how did you
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become interested in sitting in the ice
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or taking ice bath
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I thought there was more than meets the
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eye there is more into all the system
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and I was like grown up in a big family
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but my you know schooler results were
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not so big so and everybody was into
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where hey I have to become a doctor you
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have to become this here but then become
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that and say otherwise you get you are
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lower in the in the in the system and I
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told no what I feel is okay what I feel
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is a it’s not what really what I want so
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I began to wonder I began to look
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hundreds of books in psychology
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philosophy do I was by school system and
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narrowed down as being yeah you can be a
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carpenter you can be a painter and
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that’s it no I I knew there was
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something different so I went into books
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at my age of twelve I began to read
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about psychology already going into
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Hinduism and Buddhism and and all these
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religions and and traditions and
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cultures and began to learn languages
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different languages by my own not by the
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Schouler system by own your own interest
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yes and when aware I reached the age of
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70 then my heart was full up with all
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these philosophies and philosophy about
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it all the traditions and cultures and
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and the languages and everything and all
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I did was karate and ku and yoga I could
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do with all OH
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but it still did not satisfy the depth
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of which I wanted to reach inside which
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my mind was in the start was looking for
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and a TAS at a Sunday Sunday morning I
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was wandering throughout the park and I
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saw this thin layer of ice on the water
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and it attracted me and I told like I
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gotta go in I was looking around nobody
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was there because Sunday morning
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everybody is working you know that they
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have their tranquility
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tranquila in Spanish and they have to
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you know that they want to have the easy
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time in bed or something so I could take
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off my clothes I went it and it is in
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one minute
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I felt the sense and really going deep
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in this is really responding to the
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soul-searching I did for many years
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before and about that what I think is
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there is more than meets the eye
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I found it at that moment and I came out
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and I felt great and from there it all
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started – whenever you feel great you
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come back so the other day I came back
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and then once again once again and I
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noticed that my pattern of the the
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breathing changed it changed and it
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brought me more oxygen inside the body
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being able to withstand cold say for 20
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minutes Highschool ice water and then
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stay for five to seven minutes under the
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water and it brought me a sense of
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tremendous power within
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control was looking for that that that’s
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the way it all began and from there I
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began to do my own study of life itself
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and yes it brought me to all kinds of
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challenges staying in short no t-shirt
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no nothing just in freezing temperatures
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all night out the human potential of his
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physiology is far beyond that we done
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that what we exercise right now and
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because of this comfort zone way of
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thinking we think we can control nature
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but we do not control the inner power
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anymore which is a physiology which goes
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far deeper than done we exercise right
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now which causes all these diseases all
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the depressions all the lack of oxygen
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the right chemistry and the body is not
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there causing all these ailments and we
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have no control and air right now we
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have found the techniques and we brought
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it back to the laboratory setting showed
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that everybody is able just to tap in to
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their deepest levels of the physiology
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which is the autonomic nervous system
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related to the immune system related to
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the endocrine system which means the
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immune system is the health the layers
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of the immune system after millions of
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year are really perfect but if you do
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not tap in you’re not making use of
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these immune systems another one is the
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endocrine system about a glance the
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hormones if you don’t feel good if you
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don’t feel happy make some happy
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hormones working if you don’t feel
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strong you feel weak and to make some
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strong hormones working we have shown
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people lying in bed producing it’s all
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science now producing within a half-hour
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more adrenaline than somebody in fear
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going for a bumpy jump comparative study
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of blood results so the endocrine system
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the immune system just in a couple of
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days we are able to access every
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individual in the world that in and we
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get to spread this news because it makes
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us happy strong and healthy and that’s
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what we want and now you come and you
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interview me and you’re a bright girl
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you’re a bright woman help me to bring
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this to the world that’s what we do it’s
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good it’s for everybody and that’s what
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we’re doing yes
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so you’re talking about the these couple
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of studies that were published but
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before before jumping into that you’ve
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got this technique that you’re referring
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to where you’re getting in the cold and
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you mentioned that your breathing you
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notice when you first were doing it your
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breathing changed yes is I’m just
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curious is that how you decided to
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harness the breathing techniques was it
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something that you noticed you did
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automatically when you were in the cold
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or how did you how did you couple those
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two together either in the cold if you
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go in the cold and it feels good because
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you feel oh there’s no thinking involved
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you just feel and just feeling is
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tremendous nice is okay is strong is a
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strong feeling that is what the reaction
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is of the cold okay but then your
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breathing will change because it’s
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naturally already there and to with
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stand cold impact which is a force
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coming in it needs oxygen combustion it
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needs oxygen to go around so you need
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oxygen in a natural way in every cell
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but as we breathe shallow in our
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conditioned mind and in the comfort zone
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etc it doesn’t yet in all the cells the
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right amount of oxygen but the cold
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really forces you to breathe the natural
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way which is very very much more
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profound bringing in oxygen in all these
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health taking up the pH level and then
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you don’t feel the pain you don’t feel
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the cold you get control over though the
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neurotransmitters in the body they go
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fast and they listen to your will they
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listen to what you have to say that’s
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the way nature billed us to be so I
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learned it in the cold by feeling not
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because I knew that there was no book it
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that the book was me the book was the
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interaction with the nature no it’s
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really it’s really cool I was speaking
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with our mutual friend of ours yesterday
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Peter Capel who was explaining some of
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the science behind how the breathing
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techniques but that you’re just
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referring to that you use where you’re
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doing this this hyperventilation yes you
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want to explain it
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hyperventilation is a / it gets to you
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what we do we go controlled to the level
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where hyperventilation occurs but we do
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it control so there is a neural activity
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contact where with the brain and the way
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we get in oxygen to right pH levels and
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then that’s a hyperventilation is a sort
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of uh yeah limit with indicates right
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for now but if we are not suffering from
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a hyperventilation we make use of
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whatever goes on and have a
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hyperventilation to get a to
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to get a degree of mastery over or a
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certain level of trends within our
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physiology with Ana within our chemistry
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and we do right okay yeah that so you’re
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you’re controlled breathing technique
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what it ends up doing at the
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physiological level is it is decreasing
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the carbon dioxide level of the blood
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which then as you mentioned has a
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response in raising the pH which is
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really very hard to do you know normal
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blood pH is around seven point three
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five seven point four if that’s the case
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seven point three four then everybody is
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okay but everybody is actually suffering
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from lower degrees of pH that’s our
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problem in this society because we had a
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lab we built up a lack of oxygen
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throughout the daily life that’s why we
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get lower pH levels and from their older
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problems of autoimmune diseases and and
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probably cancer a titre I don’t want to
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mention all these words but it’s logical
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if you go with a car and you got path a
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petrol diesel or gas a put in sugar you
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change the chemistry and you are not
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able to drive anymore
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the same works with the body if we get
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too much too long a time too low a PhD
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degree and the the auto which is Greek
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for self our physiology is not working
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anymore and then we get these chronic
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diseases and autoimmune diseases as
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logic is that what so in what’s
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interesting to me is that there’s a pain
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receptor that acid sensing receptor that
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is coupled to the pain signaling pathway
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and so when you are able to raise your
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pH by this breathing technique and
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lowering the carbon dioxide to seven
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point seven five or seven eight average
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large study eight it’s still not
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published but I can I can say when the
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published study it was about seven point
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seven five or so yeah okay which is kill
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high yeah
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and that’s to heights it’s not that’s a
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high enough pH to deactivate the
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receptor that senses the s acidity and
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therefore it is unable to send signals
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to the other pain receptors Wow great
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which sighs I love this shit if you get
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a 27.6 this try memorization goes into
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monument so the pain signal is composed
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by three receptors like receptors and
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then to get away because there’s just no
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signal right I loved you and that’s why
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you can sit then it goes away
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and there is no pain that’s the way we
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master our own body again that that’s
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the way nature built us to be able to do
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well so that’s just one interesting
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point about your you know breathing and
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cold oh whatever the matter I didn’t got
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a dial of books I got it out of nature
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so I brought it back to the laboratory
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as in the books right now in American
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books even the the third year of biology
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and medical students it’s a full chapter
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testing the eyes map it’s called and
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it’s about it’s not anymore about me
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it’s about a comparative study with 12
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people who did the method test within
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four days and it wasn’t even really a
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Puritan a training which I did with him
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to make them able to go and tap into the
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autonomic nervous system and the immune
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system and get antitoxin injected and
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have it control within a quarter of our
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okay that’s what is amazing hundred
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percent
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how did percent within four days all
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these Yogi’s were so many years and
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there’s a knot and all he said you know
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people were very pure to take our years
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about it acidic alkaline there are what
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we got to do and always mining about it
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just in four days
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and in the night in the evenings we
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drank beer and we had guitar playing and
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we added some really changing gonna and
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during the day you were fully committed
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and the first day we they were with me
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without prior experience in the cold at
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minus 10 Celsius I mean that’s below
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freezing point Celsius Fahrenheit you
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know and it’s really below freezing
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point they began at the foot of a
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mountain and like ours it took to get to
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the summit in Poland Czech air boarder
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in the inner ear in in the wintertime
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and all in chosen like three hours of
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three and a half hours and it was minus
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27 at the top and they were still we
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were doing the hard chick on top then I
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knew these guys after four days of
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training without prior experience in the
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cold having a real good time in the
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night about during the day go again
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four days later they were and I knew it
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at the summit they are these people are
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ready these people are back in their
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natural state of their physiology they
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have control with by the mind over their
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body the way a and the thirteen
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experiment or a bacterial gas injected
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and within a quarter of hour they will
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have a complete dominion over the
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bacteria in a and that in spite of there
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are the others who had no instructions
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they suffered from three to six hours
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uncontrolled breathing man headaches and
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overall agony and and all that so we got
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to go back to nature our nature the
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inner nature the inner mechanisms and
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it’s not so difficult
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it’s very easy actually so I want to
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dive a little more into the science but
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I have a question so after the four days
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of training these people these 12
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individuals were completely untrained
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they did the four days of training how
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soon after that did they have the
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endotoxin injected four days later four
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days later so the training for four days
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and then they had the ended so they
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weren’t were they doing any of the
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breathing techniques or anything right
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before the endotoxin and right before
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the added option that they did this
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breathing the breathing and that made
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them able to go into the brainstem which
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is the cause of adrenaline yeah direct
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adrenaline and in a way comparatively
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they compared it with studies where
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people go into a in fear mm-hmm first
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time going into a body job and they
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these guys were just laying in bed and
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producing more adrenaline that means
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control within and you know controlled
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stress hormones like adrenaline
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epinephrine and all this that means it
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works like medicine it ignites the
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immune system but I can’t ever go in
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reset and do what you got to do and what
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we are able to do is to fend ourselves
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off from disease like animals like
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mammals I don’t see any psychiatric
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asylums in nature
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I don’t see pharmacies in nature no
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hospitals but they still live and they
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run and they are passed and they go and
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they live and they enjoy life even
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though there are predators and
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everything it’s a beautiful tiger but we
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thought we are better we are we dominate
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night in nature but we don’t we have to
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go back and then this mammal istic brain
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the limbic system the brain system if it
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is an order once again we become happy
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strong and healthy so um it’s what
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you’re saying is it’s so interesting
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because the
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breathing techniques you’re talking
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about does increase the epinephrine
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which has been shown an adrenaline which
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has been shown to have an
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anti-inflammatory effect so that is able
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to secrete these anti-inflammatory
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cytokines that prevent the immune system
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from going crazy so in the study where
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these 12 individuals did your method I
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found it very interesting that they were
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injected with endotoxin which is like by
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the way it’s something that humans are
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constantly exposed to small amounts of
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because we have it in our jet and it’s a
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driver of the inflammation
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it’s a driver of Aging it’s a driver of
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cardiovascular disease everything aging
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relating all you know all age-related
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diseases look what you have back to end
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everything it is now it’s a big thing so
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it’s just and so what happened you know
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physiologically what’s happening with
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the breathing technique specifically
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which I’m calling it hyperventilation
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it’s controlled but you know just for
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simplistic reasons when you
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hyperventilate you increase the
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adrenaline and the epinephrine and that
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has a profound effect on look
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anti-inflammatory and so these
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individuals that were doing your method
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versus the control when they were
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injected with the endotoxin their immune
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sponsor response was activated but
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immediately they had this anti
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inflammatory cytokines coming out and
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quieting the immune system from not
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going crazy and that’s why they were not
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experiencing all the negative effects of
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when you have your immune system going
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overactive it’s inflammation yes then
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you get the pain you get you know nausea
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and things that you were describing that
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what that didn’t happen we got mo so
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many cases with the roma roma detritus
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right at roses we are doing a it’s going
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to come the studies and the disease of
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Lyme and the disease of Crone colitis
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the asthma are all captive and it’s all
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the same course and we are now a very
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able to tap into that very direct and
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but we have to show this
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typically and I got so many cases of
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people using medicine for like 20 years
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and not using him anymore
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there’s no need anymore in all these
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autoimmune diseases about the
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inflammation beside the game production
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and all that they control it they
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control the pain they control all the
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symptoms and they don’t need the
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medicines anymore and we want to prove
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this by science because I think there is
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a big industry behind once answer to
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take medicine mm-hmm so how much is the
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interest to to look at to look into a
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method which is natural doesn’t cost
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anything anybody is able to do and yeah
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that’s what we do yeah so that’s what we
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do right now maybe it’s not so smart of
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me to say this although imagine this but
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I have no fear I have no fear I think
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well this scientific discovery that we
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are able to tap into the autonomic
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nervous system related to the immune
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system and endocrine system brings back
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to it maybe the belief that we to every
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person in the world that we are able to
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do so much more within our bodies and we
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lost this belief that we are unable to
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become happy strong and healthy because
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we got lost in a sort of a system and we
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got confused because of them that you
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get dependency and now we turn around to
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dependency and disbelief and the
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discomfort into the ability by terror
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natural methods to bring about a dis
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consciousness of being happy and strong
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and healthy oh that’s my own thing and
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we bring it about by scientific
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based evidence and so there is no
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speculation going on yeah I love your
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study I love you a way of seeing things
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that’s good so all what we do I think
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it’s good because what do we want for
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our children that’s love and love I
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think is composed of what do you want
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for your child
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happiness strength and health that’s
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what I want for Michelle is that love
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yes that that’s love but now we will
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determine that here by scientific
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scrutiny by scientific results evidence
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and that’s it and I call it crazy monkey
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sometimes yeah we are making a song
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about it and the crazy monkey is the
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brain stem the brain stem the the
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primitive brain is very able to direct
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or it’s about the fight to fly to food
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the fog and the freeze very primitive
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but it’s like a reptilian it only reacts
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it doesn’t think but we are because of
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our thinking we are so dominated by our
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thinking it doesn’t get the right blood
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flow so in the in that area in the brain
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stem also resides the pineal gland
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hypothalamus pituitary gland amygdala
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which is the emotion and it’s all there
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and doesn’t get sufficient blood flow so
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if something happens to trauma or
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disease or danger we don’t know how to
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deal because there is not sufficient
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blood flow because this crazy monkey is
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all the time it going around and it
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actually wants to get and tap in back in
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to its roots feeling okay and that’s the
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crazy crime yeah
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it’s not okay yeah it’s that do you
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think that part of the effects of
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meditation in general because a lot of
28:13
meditation has focuses on breathing and
28:16
you know breathing do you think that the
28:18
breathing itself maybe also have you
28:22
know may be responsible for some of
28:24
those positive effects – meditation sure
28:27
if you go in in very Capell professor
28:33
capella is also talking about this about
28:35
the neocortex and the hypothalamus which
28:39
is the surface of the brain and
28:41
epidermis is the brain stab more or less
28:44
and we lose the contact but if the it’s
28:48
all the time there the neocortex going
28:51
on with the world like hey I gotta do
28:54
this I gotta do then the blood flow will
28:57
go to this and it creates a sympathetic
29:01
nervous system activity all the time but
29:06
– to create new energy it happens only
29:10
like a cow it’s going to sit down it’s
29:15
going to chew on his grass and this way
29:21
these chemical processes are able if she
29:24
runs these chemical processes to make
29:27
milk are not able to happen so we got a
29:31
same process we are mammals – so in the
29:34
cell it needs peace we need to sit down
29:39
relax and to make new energy in the in
29:43
the cell but as we are always going on
29:46
in the brain the sympathetic nervous
29:50
system is going on oh no and it only
29:53
takes anything and because we don’t you
29:57
not know how to get into the
29:58
parasympathetic nervous system which
30:01
enables the cell production to make new
30:04
energy and we are not able to disconnect
30:09
that order from therefore we get no new
30:14
and that’s why life is so depressing or
30:18
too much going on you gotta go all the
30:22
time so now to get into this part by
30:29
breathing a presidental meditation and
30:32
all that the day Vipassana and all these
30:35
studies I worked them out
30:38
I wrote a manuscript on yoga as a
30:41
technique but a so long time it takes to
30:46
t get into it and now we are still doing
30:49
a study with a psychotic psycho ethical
30:55
research we are doing to compare it with
30:58
mindfulness mindfulness is actually a
31:01
Western answer on the patient meditation
31:05
forms of of the east and it’s called
31:09
mindfulness but still it takes such a
31:11
long time to tap in to the brain a right
31:15
way to disconnect from the sympathetic
31:18
nervous system activity caused by the
31:21
neocortex to get into the limbic system
31:24
which is connected to the
31:25
parasympathetic nervous system which
31:28
creates energy which gives space which
31:32
doesn’t give anxiety and all that so if
31:35
you go into this breathing profoundly
31:39
then there is no hey there’s no danger
31:43
there’s no danger yeah you don’t need to
31:46
be and if it takes in just a full
31:49
minutes or five minutes then it will
31:53
disconnect from the neocortex which is a
31:55
sympathetic nervous system activity it
31:59
shuts down there’s no blood flow and
32:01
you’re going toward it and it goes down
32:04
and you feel we laugh okay why it’s nice
32:08
now it takes time because some people
32:12
are so stubborn
32:14
within the sympathetic nervous system it
32:17
related to the neocortex and those are
32:21
on a doesn’t stop so what we do
32:26
now with this breathing technique bring
32:29
the cut down disconnect completely the
32:34
conditioned breathing pattern which is
32:38
providing the oxygen the blood flow to
32:42
the neocortex we cut it down chill and
32:46
you know what they saw after one half
32:50
minute of retention retention that’s
32:53
refraining from breath after
32:56
installation heart action Asian no air
32:59
and lungs that means oh no no no I hear
33:06
anything and we got the PhD degree
33:10
we got them completely up so nothing
33:13
happens the body is completely provided
33:17
but then we fool the brain we fool the
33:21
brain and it takes one half minute for
33:27
the brain to get back because we up
33:30
sanitize the body is so much we get a
33:33
carbon dioxide out by the pH level we
33:38
get up oxygen you get so much free now
33:41
for the first time
33:43
deep breathing it gets to work there all
33:45
the cells and then after one half minute
33:52
it gets down to hundred percent because
33:55
I know what I know is sighs duh that
33:58
doesn’t get no we get we are able to ox
34:02
energize the body more than hundred
34:04
percent that these are the devices they
34:07
took up a abstract device to say this is
34:10
how to present this thirty percent
34:12
thirty percent of people died you know
34:15
what I show I took the device I took it
34:19
with this finger this one of the strong
34:23
figures ever I was hugging her in the
34:27
wintertime
34:28
at one finger between two balloons and
34:30
then for twenty three fifty point
34:35
four seconds yes that’s that is it no
34:40
they get these up CBS and it’s showing
34:44
your heartbeat and your saturation in
34:47
your blood after one everybody well it
34:51
will show with in the physiology of
34:53
everybody after one half minutes it done
34:58
it begins here 100% 90% 80 70 60 50
35:04
where people normally die and 40 30 and
35:08
the damn device goes hey Sarah Sarah
35:12
Sarah is no measuring any more on you
35:16
and I’m not army I only anymore
35:18
everybody who took part in the study in
35:22
four days
35:23
I saw the oxygen saturation went down by
35:26
50% in everyone right nevertheless
35:28
that’s the average but some guys without
35:32
air completely often do individual
35:35
variation between the people say a
35:37
little bit but everybody goes down like
35:39
normally it’s more to it you are dying
35:43
if you would be a cynic you would die at
35:47
that moment so that’s the way we trick
35:50
the mind because the the reptilian mode
35:54
is just reactive to call – freeze – fuck
35:59
– frightened and – food that that’s why
36:03
that that’s what a reptilian does yeah
36:05
that that’s not us we have we got we got
36:09
a mind but we don’t know how to tap into
36:13
this mode now we know and this brings
36:17
about the connection between all the
36:21
parts of the brain which also concerns
36:24
disease absolutely and depression the
36:28
glands the pineal gland the pituitary
36:30
gland and the hypothalamus and we got it
36:34
so it’s so simple and so effective yeah
36:39
for the relevance for diseases so if you
36:41
just think about the cold itself
36:43
increases norepinephrine which is
36:46
used to treat ADHD it’s used to treat
36:48
depression they’re giving norepinephrine
36:49
reuptake inhibitors to treat that which
36:52
have all sorts of side effects and and
36:54
then the breathing increases the
36:56
epinephrine which then causes all the
36:59
anti inflammatory response they say say
37:01
that again it’s very intuitive ah and a
37:05
lot of the – you’re talking about
37:07
yeah increasing both Catherine
37:09
epinephrine
37:10
the norepinephrine the norepinephrine is
37:13
increased by the cold yes and then the
37:16
breathing the you know control video
37:18
increases the epinephrine and the
37:20
adrenaline which then causes all the
37:22
anti inflammatory response and and then
37:26
increases then it decreases carbon
37:28
dioxide which then stops the pains so
37:32
your to speculation yeah so what you’re
37:34
talking about potentially and this is
37:36
what I am interested in is treating
37:38
possibly depression yes oh yeah OCD look
37:44
really know how serious this is this is
37:48
and I want a science to back it up and
37:52
please help me with the scientific
37:55
research we got it but we need to prove
37:59
it you’re doing a pretty good job you
38:01
right now you’ve got to pretty good
38:02
publications one of them in the PNAS
38:04
Journal which is a very nice journal
38:06
it’s a great paper you know I read it
38:08
two times I think that you’re on the
38:10
right path to you know using science and
38:14
harnessing the power of science science
38:15
to to show the physiological changes the
38:19
brain changes that are occurring through
38:21
the use of the cold you know shock
38:23
through the use of these breathing
38:24
techniques you’re very humble she’s
38:26
humble go hey guys I I’m curious how did
38:30
you decide like what made you decide to
38:33
turn to the science I just your
38:35
curiosity or your you’ve got that
38:37
scientific sort of mind where you wanted
38:39
to understand right recognition science
38:43
yeah I already knew with 25 years ago
38:45
that he Ptolemaic nervous can be
38:48
influenced in the immune system but
38:50
everybody told me I was crazy yeah
38:54
I’m crazy about my life and my wife
38:56
that’s okay but for the rest no I know
39:00
because of nature of coal and all that
39:03
and I can think I’m able to conduct and
39:08
to make conversation like we do right
39:11
now I can’t recognize what you say I can
39:15
recognize what we are what we do and
39:17
what we better to do even more but and
39:22
so that day that said that that’s where
39:26
we all bear where I began and I began of
39:29
course when I had the chance and that
39:31
was a New York why now we get this up in
39:35
New York and New York
39:37
Manhasset Manhattan no man yeah
39:40
Manhattan I did a record over there in
39:44
the eye standing in the I say during the
39:46
winter and January in front of the
39:49
Museum of Himalayan Arts in New York and
39:54
I did like one hour 13 minutes done now
40:00
it’s one hour 53 minutes doesn’t matter
40:02
you know every time a little minute it’s
40:05
being invited all over the world don’t
40:09
change ha ha ha but I did it and the
40:14
other day I went to the Feinstein
40:16
Institute in maan acid New York and
40:20
which is under the supervision of a
40:23
doctor Kevin tracing which is a
40:27
microbiologist and he is an authority in
40:31
the field and he’s also in the board of
40:34
Nobel Prize winners for medical research
40:39
so we should give me but by the way
40:43
making jokes you know but the real
40:45
serious thing is that he then saw me
40:50
influencing the vague nerve yeah and not
40:54
a little bit and he sought a compared to
40:59
whole lot of test subjects before and I
41:02
was the first one who was doing this
41:04
actually
41:06
and as a whole story behind it a Citroen
41:08
but then he told me we were going to do
41:12
all kinds of research comparative
41:14
studies because if this would be if I
41:20
would be able to pass it over to a group
41:23
of persons that would be huge
41:26
consequences for human mankind a month
41:31
later I did not hear any contact anymore
41:35
and I found out they were there quite
41:40
sponsored by a pharmaceutical and that’s
41:44
ok that’s ok everybody needs money to go
41:47
around bla bla bla bla bla ba and
41:49
Cintron but years later I had this
41:55
opportunity to show in the Radboud
41:59
University here in holland in a
42:02
physiological experiment called
42:05
experiment that i’m worse
42:08
able to you know go into 80 minutes
42:11
immersion into the cold direct cold ice
42:14
cubes and water and all that and stay
42:18
eight minutes and raise my paw a cocoa
42:21
bunny temperature whilst doing and they
42:25
had not wrote retrieving from me and
42:29
they exposed it ex vivo just without me
42:33
in a laboratory setting and they saw 100
42:37
percent acetic in a suppressive well 100
42:43
percent and then later yeah of course
42:47
they began to be a become into
42:49
interested by intensive care department
42:52
and this is a do you want to be injected
42:57
do we want to be part of an experiment
42:59
like that and then they saw this and
43:01
then I said yes but maybe I can do it
43:05
and all these people didn’t do it all
43:09
these hundreds of people who could not
43:11
we’re not able to do that and now I’m
43:14
able to do
43:15
with such a big difference but I say
43:18
it’s not because I’m the Iceman anybody
43:21
can do it so you could do it anybody can
43:24
do it even the dog can do it haha but
43:28
he’s out there calling for us not
43:30
already is he saying Danny
43:33
taking part of this interview it’s all
43:35
about love so that’s how it came the the
43:37
endotoxin job came to be yes that’s
43:40
because that has like I said is huge
43:43
huge clinical relevancy sit down so
43:46
don’t my little sit up Ian do anything
43:52
ah okay
43:54
surprise insisted product in my buddies
43:57
but I cannot go drop my dog it’s all
44:02
about the love you know absolutely uh um
44:06
very very cool I would love to see you
44:09
know this like I said potentially be
44:13
used to help treat depression to help
44:15
treat a lot of dough yes depression is
44:17
my dormitory yeah my wife died because
44:22
of being schizophrenic as they say
44:25
mm-hmm like no control and I so there
44:28
was no control I lost her and I four
44:31
kids with her that’s the way I began to
44:34
have interest in a scientific studies to
44:38
show we are able to do so much more it’s
44:41
in there it’s a soul search and that’s
44:43
why and that’s the way I began do you
44:47
think that Holland may be more open to
44:49
this type of treatment and the reason I
44:52
say this is because just a couple of
44:55
days ago I was at the van Gogh Museum
44:57
you know tourists and going to the
44:59
museum yeah we’re all kind of drawn to
45:02
been go because he’s got this you know
45:04
dark story about this year a big dolphin
45:08
anything yeah and as I was reading
45:10
through looking at his paintings and
45:12
reading through you know the history
45:13
behind it OSHA’s and all that yeah
45:16
well then real what happened was that he
45:19
was he went into this this sort of
45:20
psychiatric hospital and I thought
45:22
immediately oh they probably put him on
45:24
drugs I mean that’s what I thought
45:26
as I was reading said no his
45:28
prescription
45:28
was too cold baths a day and that I was
45:34
I mean I looked at my husband I was like
45:36
are you kidding me is this really you
45:39
know so is that something you think that
45:42
maybe you know because this was in the
45:43
Netherlands
45:44
yes actually was in the South of France
45:47
with fuck off fuck off yeah but it was
45:53
so depressed and the light has got a lot
45:55
of influence on the depression yeah
45:58
melatonin serotonin it and the the
46:02
hormone production as he tries so he
46:04
went to the South of France
46:06
finally and then I’ll I’ll somewhere
46:11
south of France he got into this
46:12
psychotic asylum but they did it new as
46:15
well because the the cold brings about
46:20
the alarm cells and the body which
46:23
suppresses the cytokine production per
46:26
direct but then the breathing even
46:30
doesn’t more yeah norepinephrine is
46:32
induced is increased by the cold and it
46:34
suppresses the site of their production
46:35
and but the epinephrine from the
46:38
breathing doesn’t even more robust but I
46:41
was so curious that back in the late
46:43
1800s they were doing cold baths why not
46:45
now why not you’re the first one to tell
46:48
me to go Beth that was necessary for
46:52
good said for God it was a crazy
46:55
motherfucker I’m so ready okay we cannot
46:58
say that okay but he cut off his a ear
47:03
and then shot himself and my wife like
47:09
200 years later jumped from a eighth
47:13
floor having four children and I’m
47:18
working with the children right now and
47:20
we having a great company and we have
47:22
got a lot of happiness and all that but
47:25
then are those those days we had a
47:29
little a lot of discomfort discomfort
47:32
and no power and being dependent on all
47:37
these systems and that’s why I save yeah
47:41
I’m sorry about the F word but it’s the
47:44
F word and the system’s
47:46
FD systems because we are going to do
47:50
something about it and this time we’re
47:53
going to bring back the belief but also
47:56
the real chemical connection here within
48:00
the body and the brain toward all the
48:02
people and that’s regarding a depression
48:07
or any type of mental disorder or
48:10
physical disk yeah yeah implement
48:13
inflammatory disorders yes in flat
48:16
inflammation side to keep production
48:19
I’ll be able to tap into that yes are we
48:22
able to tap into the nature debate nerve
48:25
yes are we able to tap into the
48:28
autonomic nervous system yes I’m sorry
48:30
yes I please keep doing what you’re
48:33
doing in you know it’s awesome your
48:36
passion your energy and what you’re
48:37
doing I respect I likewise I respect
48:40
your work which is very good and it is
48:42
really needed so if people want to find
48:47
out more about wim HOF I just go to
48:50
inner fire doctor now you know www all
48:54
these shrubs a little yeah like that dog
48:57
in a fire dot and he’ll analyst
49:00
Netherland uh-huh inner fire like I and
49:03
neer and I re in a fires about you know
49:07
the cold is cold yeah but if you go into
49:10
people and this fight comes okay oh yeah
49:12
feel good then that’s the air to fire
49:14
all about so http://www.interfight.net al is
49:21
the netherlands and now you know
49:24
Neverland and that’s it that’s it and
49:27
the rest I don’t know I don’t know
49:29
nothing about Twitter and Twitter I know
49:32
a better and letter I don’t know yeah
49:35
and you’ve got like a training technique
49:38
oh yeah we got online videos and we got
49:41
three video course as well
49:51
you
Dr. Rhonda Patrick interviews Wim Hof also known as the “Iceman.” Wim holds the world record for the longest ice bath (1 hour and 53 minutes and 12 seconds), just to name one of his many impressive feats. Dr. Patrick and Wim talk a bit about Wim’s back story that culminated in him trying out cold water immersion, the relatively recent 2014 scientific publication of the “Wim Hof Method” which includes cold exposure during training, exposure to bacterial endotoxin, Wim’s breathing techniques, and meditation (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24…). The 2014 study demonstrated the effects of just 4 days of training with the “Wim Hof method” on 12 volunteers injected with bacterial endotoxin. Some of the effects include: increased epinephrine, norepinephrine, increased anti-inflammatory cytokines (IL-10), decreased pro-inflammatory cytokines (TNF-alpha), increased blood ph to 7.75 (in some cases), and decreased carbon dioxide blood levels. The results of this study hint at some very interesting possibilities that might explain why Wim’s technique helps him to endure the cold more, as well as how he was able to suppress his inflammatory response to endotoxin himself. Links related to today’s guest… ▶︎ Try out Wim’s free mini-course: http://www.wimhofmethod.com/video-min… ▶︎ Listen to Tim Ferriss Interview of Wim Hof: http://fourhourworkweek.com/2015/09/0… ▶︎ Watch Joe Rogan’s interview of Wim Hof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np0jG… ▶︎ Visit Wim’s website: http://www.innerfire.nl ▶︎ Follow Wim on Twitter: http://twitter.com/Iceman_hof ▶︎ Follow Wim on Facebook: http://facebook.com/becoming.the.iceman ▶︎ Follow Wim on Instagram: http://instagram.com/iceman_hof ▶︎ Subscribe to Wim Hof’s YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/wimhof1?… ————- Links related to FoundMyFitness… ▶︎ Join my weekly newsletter: http://www.foundmyfitness.com/?sendme… ▶︎ Crowdfund more videos: http://www.patreon.com/foundmyfitness ▶︎ Subscribe on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/subscription_c… ▶︎ Subscribe to the podcast: http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/fo… ▶︎ Twitter: http://twitter.com/foundmyfitness ▶︎ Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/foundmyfitness ▶︎ Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/foundmyfitness Want notifications when a new podcast comes out? Download one of the FoundMyFitness mobile apps! ▶︎ iPhone App: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/found… ▶︎ Android App: https://play.google.com/store/apps/de…

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